Firearm Forum Question: Buying a AR15 308 NATO Assault Rifle

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I am seriously interested in buying a AR style .308 caliber rifle, cost and quality are factors. It must be Mil Spec.  So, what are your best recommendations of all the available brands? I've handled several at small FB shops and even big box stores and it is a bit confusing.
Thank you Bob Cooper.

Commonly used Assault Weapon Weights ....

The AR 15 308:
DPMS 308 NATO ....

Armalite Sporting Rifle DEF10, 308 NATO ....

Bushmaster XM-10 308 ORC, 308 Winchester 7.62x51 ....

About the AR 308 NATO Platform ....

Answer :

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When choosing the AR 308 it is important to remember that there is a difference between the 308 Winchester Caliber and the 308 NATO (7.62x51mm) Round. Make sure you always purchase a platform AR firearm that can shoot the 308 Winchester, which has a higher pressure. This allows you to use hunting ammo and avoids any mistakes in loading the wrong cartridge that could result in a damaged firearm or personal injury. Before purchase, consult the AR Manufacturer and make sure the 308 Winchester Cartridge can be used.

As for the question, which 308 AR to choose, my recommendations are as follows:
1) Again I must stress if you are determined to buy a 308 AR Platform make sure it will accept the 308 Winchester Round.
2) These can be quite costly depending on how you outfit them, i.e. Picatinny Rail accessories; optics / scope; sling; bi-pod; magazine capacity; number of magazines; etc.
3) You may want to look into a USED AR 308, many of which have all ready been outfitted with a variety of accessories, you can generally save 20 to 50 percent on cost over a New purchase.
Some places to look for a Used AR -
** GunBroker.com
** Phoenix AZ backpage
** Local Pawn Shops
4) I suggest going to various gun shops, holding different brands of AR15 308's, look for how it feels to you, watch out for heavy weighted front end weapons.

==> As for a choice if I were buying a 308 AR new or used my first choice would be a DPMS.
Armalite and Bushmaster are also good choices.

Personal Note -
I am not a fan of the AR 308 NATO Platform assault rifle.
Better choice is the AK-47, 7.62x39mm. You can generally buy 2 rounds of AK ammo for the price of one 308 NATO round. The AK shoots any brand, is reliable, and the number one choice of assault rifle around the world.

I have published a similar Topic Post sometime back, here is the LINK -

Any Thoughts on Buying a 308 NATO Assault Rifle -http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-any-thoughts-on-buying.html

You may also want to visit the following LINKS at

The Firearm Forum Site for additional information ....

What's the Best Type of Forward Grip for My Picatinny Rail -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-whats-best-type-of.html

Using Steel Case or Lead Bullet Ammo -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-using-steel-case-or-lead.html

What Should I Look for in a Complete Lower Assault Rifle Assembly -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-what-should-i-look-for_14.html

What Should I Look for in an Upper Assault Rifle Assembly -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-what-should-i-look-for.html

How to the Clean the AR15 Assault Rifle -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/11/forum-question-how-to-ar15-assault-rifle.html

AR-15 (M-16) 5.56x45mm versus Avtomat Kalashnikova AK-47 7.62x39mm -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/11/forum-question-ar-15-m-16-556x45mm.html

Hunting with the AR15 Rifle -

http://askafirearmsquestion.blogspot.com/2013/12/forum-question-hunting-with-ar15-rifle.html

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Firearm Forum Question: Armscor Ammo Potential Product Safety Issues

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Is there a Product Warning and Safety Notice -or- Recall on Amrscor Ammunition? There has been a lot of reported issues with this ammo including damage firearms from using this product. Please tell us what's up with all this Armscor Ammo Failures.
Thank you Simon McQueen.

Amrscor Ammunition Manufacturing is a Philippine (foreign) owned ammo company. They do have a factory in Pahrump Nevada and Stevensville Montana (USA). They also have a facility in Marikina Philippines.

Amrscor 22 LR Ammo ....

Amrscor 223 AR Ammo ....

Amrscor 9mm Ammo ....

From the Amrscor Website, 2015, Ammo Products ....

Calibers Offered By Armscor Ammo:

.22 Short

22 LR

22 MRF

357 Magnum

9 MM

.45 Auto

.38 Special

.380 Auto

.38 Super

.40 S & W

STRIKE 3

.223 REM

5.56 MM

.30 Carbine

20 Gauge

12 Gauge

Single Slug

Answer :

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I have researched this and at the time of this posting there is no official Product Recall or Warning out from Armscor Ammunition about any safety issues. I checked there website and found nothing except a list of ammo products they sell which I have included above.
This concerns me from the aspect that numerous incidents have occurred using this ammo in various calibers including severe damage to firearms and some injuries have been reported.
See Youtube Video below on documentary of user that had a bad experience.
I have included my opinion below.

Youtube Video: Armscor 22LR Ammo Failure ....
Note - On my previous Topic Post, Remington was having issues with their Model 597 Semi Auto Rifle that is discussed in this video.

Some other reported incidents, posted to the Internet, using Armscor Ammo:

1) Was out firing my sig mosquito today and a round of armscor ammunition (.22lr) exploded inside the weapon spraying fragments into face.. Was NOT fun , managed to recover the exploded rim on the ground, and upon closer inspection of the weapon noticed that the rest of the brass was lodged inside the chamber and was removed with a cleaning rod and a small mallet.


2) One piece of ammo was so overloaded with gunpowder that it blew up in my face. It destroyed the German-made .22 caliber pistol I recently bought at the last gun show. I was lucky I was wearing protective shooting glasses when I fired the Armscor .22 caliber ammo because my eyes would have been hit by the gunpowder residue.

3) Other failures have included bad ammo in 22LR; 223; 9mm; and 45 acp. These failures range from misfires to jammed rounds to split casings.

Some reported posted Armscor Ammo failures and firearm damage:

.223 / 5.56 AR15 Assaut Rifle ....

22 Caliber LR Ruger 10/22 Rifle Magazine ....

My Opinion -

I have some Armscor 22LR. I have not fired it so I have no personal experience with this ammo.

My suggestion is examine all Armscor Ammo before use.

Look for the following ....

1) Expanded shell casings

2) Lose bullets

3) Bulge casings

4) Bulge in the primers

Recommendations:

If you are nervous about using this ammo, sell it or dispose of it safely.

I would inspect all Amrscor Ammo before use.

Conclusion:

I am baffled as to why Armscor has not had a Product Recall on the Lot Numbers affected.

Also people experiencing these issues should contact the ATF/BATF and file a complaint immediately.

If your firearm has been damaged or you were injured in the use of this ammo, consult an attorney at once.

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Firearm Forum Question: Remington Model 597 Rifle, 17 HMR Recall Notice

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It is my understanding that Remington has a Product Safety Recall Notice out on it's 17 HMR Rifles and Ammo, is this true ?
Thank you James Woodward II.

Remington 17 HMR Safety Recall Notice ....
Remington has issued this statement -
=> 17 HMR AMMUNITION AND MODEL 597® 17 HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC:



DO NOT USE REMINGTON 17 HMR AMMUNITION IN SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS.


DO NOT USE THE REMINGTON MODEL 597, 17 HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE.


Remington has been notified by its supplier of 17 HMR ammunition that 17 HMR ammunition is not suitable for use in semi-automatic firearms. 

The use of this ammunition in a semi-automatic firearm could result in property damage or serious personal injury.

Remington Toll Free Phone Number in the USA:
Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3

LINK to Remington's Website for the Recall Notice:
http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/safety-center/safety-warning-recall-notice.aspx

Why Remington had a recall notice on their entire line of .17 HMR Model 597 Rifles.

Just take a look at the 3 photos below:

Casing Damage ....

 Case Head ....

  Magazine Damage ....

The Remington Model 597 Rifle, from there website ....

The Remington Model 597 Rifle Specs ....

Answer :

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Yes, this is correct and it's on Remington Rifles and Ammo in the 17 HMR Caliber.
See Youtube Video below.

It addition -
Hornady, an Ammunition Manufacturer has issued a Product Warning Notice, On September 15, 2009, about the USE of 17 HMR Caliber Ammo. There ammo is not on Recall.

All 17 HMR Ammo Manufacturers have issued Warnings NOT to use any ammo in the Remington Model 597 Rifle in 17 HMR Caliber.
Essentially 17 HMR Ammo is not safe to use in Semi-Auto Rifles.

Note: 17 HMR Ammo is a rimfire bottleneck cartridge.

Youtube Video: Remington Product Recall Notice for the 17 HMR ....

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From the Firearms Guy, Ask A Firearms Question: Happy Memorial Day Weekend 2015

This is The Firearms Guy wishing everyone a very Happy Memorial Day Weekend for 2015.
Please drive safely and remember to hug your kids.

Please remember our troops, they keep you safe and protect our freedom from those who wish to take it away.

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Firearm Forum Question: Review and Test Firing of the Geha Bolt Action 12 Gauge Shotgun

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No question today ...
This is my personal 'Review' of the Spanish made Geha 12-Gauge Bolt Action Shotgun.
The Geha Shotgun is a strange designed bastardized conversion of an 8mm German Mauser.
Essentially they took an 8mm German Gewehr K98 Mauser, post WW1, removed the barrel, modified the magazine and part of bolt assemble converting it to a 12-Gauge Bolt Action Shotgun for hunting.
The weapon is surprisingly lightweight with a wood stock.
Recoil can be reduced by slipping on a padded butt pad.
It is a collectible firearm since approximately 40,000 were made and estimated 15,000 were sold in the USA.

The Geha German Converted Shotgun ....

Here are some photos of my Geha 12-Gauge Bolt Action Shotgun:

Answer / Review:

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I had the opportunity to purchase two of these right here in Arizona.
They are a collectible firearm.
They have a current collectible market value range from $250.00 to $450.00, depending on condition.
I test fired my 2nd Geha 12-Gauge Shotgun at the Scottsdale Indoor Gun Range, see Target below. It shoots quite accurately with acceptable recoil using a butt pad, and is lightweight with on an old German Mauser wood stock frame.
More on the Geha 12-Gauge Shotgun can be found in the Youtube Video Below.

The clear downsides to the Shotgun are:
1) The bolt cannot be removed because the breach is larger than the opening. Most people try and remove the bolt breaking the bolt head off the extractor.
2) It is a Bolt Action Shotgun.
3) The Magazine had to be modified making it difficult for maintenance, but not impossible.
4) Limited Magazine capacity, one round.
5) Requires a 2 1/2 Inch Shell for safe shooting or have a gunsmith ream the barrel out to 2 3/4 inch. Most sold were European designed for 2 9/16 inch versus 2 3/4 inch American designed. Some were sold as 2 3/4. A good gunsmith can measure and adjust to 2 3/4 if needed.
6) The Bolt Head can come off the extractor by yanking the bolt back to far.  

The Upsides to the Geha Shotgun are:
1) Limited Production making it a collectible.
2) Value for dollar. If you acquired one of these early on the value for return is good.
3) Remarkable Accurate.

Fired 2-rounds of 12-Gauge Double OO Buckshot at 20-Feet at the Indoor Gun Range as shown in Target Below ...

Military MG Buck, 12-Gauge Double OO Buckshot Shotgun Shells ....

The Geha Shotgun ....

The German Mauser Bolt Assembly ....

When the Geha Bolt Extractor comes off the Bolt Head ....

Youtube Video: The Geha Shotgun Overview ....

I Rate these Shotguns as a .... Novelty or Collectible, there are better choices for purchase. A NO BUY for Hunters and General overall Shooters. It is a BUY for German Collectors.

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