Showing posts with label Long Colt. Show all posts
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Tuesday, June 28, 2016

Firearm Forum Question: What is a Reasonable Price for an Extra Ruger Cylinder

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Can you give me some guidance on how much I should pay for an Extra Ruger Revolver Cylinder? 
Thank you Karl Zicon.

Answer :
Blog Administrator -
Always remember, the market drives the price, i.e. Economics 101, Law of Supply and Demand.

Saying that, Ruger Cowboy Single Action Revolver Cylinders are in two general categories, the original 3-Screw Version plus that next generation, and the current models which are mainly manufactured by third parties like Davidson and Lipsey.

If you can find an extra or replacement cylinder the Ruger Cowboy 22LR and 22 Magnum are the most commonly available and run about $125.00 on eBay. The 357 Magnum and 44 Magnum are going between $95.00 and $125.00. The 45 Long Colt (LC) is around $75.00. The 45 acp goes for around $125.00. The 41 Magnum and 44-40, which are rare can be upwards of $175.00. The later version 9mm and 30 Caliber are $125.00 to $200.00.
Special Note: Lately the 357 Magnum has been popular because these can be bored out to accept a 9mm and 44-40. See pictures of some Ruger cylinders below:
Ruger 22 LR (Long Rifle) Cylinder -
Ruger 357 Magnum Cylinder -
Ruger 45acp and 45 LC (Long Colt) Cylinders -
Ruger Factory Blackhawk Original 45acp Cylinder -

Bearcat and Bisley Ruger Cylinders often are engraved -


If you are shopping for an extra or replacement cylinder, be patient, and check eBay frequently to find what you want.

The double Action Ruger Cylinders (all calibers) are around $125.00, make sure these are complete with the ejector rod.
Parts of a Double Action Revolver -

The prices above do not include the old Ruger Black Powder Revolvers, or conversion cylinders which can still be purchased new for around $230.00.
Ruger 45 Long Colt Black Powder Cylinder -
Commentary -
The older Ruger cylinders are getting harder to find and more expensive. Double Action Revolver Cylinders are NOT interchangeable with Cowboy style Single Action Handgun Cylinders.

Disclaimer -
The prices above are a guideline based on current market at time of the post.

==> My recommendation is -
Make damn sure the Ruger cylinder you purchase is for your Ruger Revolver.
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Friday, July 31, 2015

Firearm Forum Question: What is a Fluted Cylinder

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What is a Flutted Cylinder and what is its purpose?
Thank you Luck 8.

Ruger Cowboy Six Gun with Smooth Cylinder .....

Ruger Cowboy Six Gun with Fluted Cylinder .....

Answer :
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Fluted versus full smooth cylinder is a design whereby some of the material (metal) of the cylinder is cut out of the surface to reduce the weight. These cut outs are groves in the cylinder and do not affect the performance of the revolver.
In some cases barrels are fluted, especially sniper style rifles.
Both style cylinders can be found on Single Action and Double Action Revolvers made by Ruger, Colt, and Smith-Wesson.
Many cowboy shooters with single action revolvers prefer fluted cylinders because it aids in indexing the cylinder (lining up the cylinder with your fingers with the chambers).
Originally all cylinders were made smooth.
Larger caliber handguns such as the 44 magnum more weight is preferred to reduce the recoil.
Smaller handgun calibers like the .22, 38, and 357 make the gun lighter and easier to use for most people.
I own a Ruger Birds Head Cowboy Revolver and have interchangeable cylinders that include 45 Long Colt, 45 ACP, and 41 Magnum all of which are fluted, and a 44 Magnum that is not fluted (smooth).
A lot of people think the Fluted Cylinder is more aesthetic looking.
See pictures above.

Related Topic Posts at The Firearms Forum Site:
1) Ruger Cowboy Revolvers -

2) Cowboy Revolver, Which is Best the Ruger, Colt, or Uberti -

Commentary -
There are no issues on owning either a Fluted or Smooth Cylinder. It is a personal preference. I would recommend a smooth cylinder on larger calibers such as the 44 Magnum, 30 Caliber, 454 Casull. etc.
==> My recommendation on Cylinders is -
a BUY by Personal Choice.

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Saturday, July 11, 2015

Firearm Forum Question: Review and Testing of the 45 Colt Dakota Revolver by Armi Jager

Ask A Firearms Question:
I recently purchased for $200.00 an old 45 Colt Dakota Cowboy Revolver by Armi Jager from Italy. Is there anything you can tell me about this handgun? 
Thank you Sedge Bulnap.

Some Photos of The Colt Dakota Cowboy 45 Long Colt (LC) Revolver:






Answer :
Blog Administrator -
I am very familiar with the Armi Jager Dakota Cowboy Revolver, I use to have one.
I would like to start off by saying you got a great Cowboy Revolver and at a very good price.

Above are some of my old pictures of my Dakota 45LC.

Below is some history, downside to this handgun, upside to this cowboy six shooter, more photos, and a homemade video of the Armi Jager Cowboy Revolver.
These are now collectible.
I originally paid $250.00 for mine, did a cowboy action job, another $75.00, put around 1,500 rounds through it and sold the revolver for $450.00.

First the firearm is a cloned copy of the Colt Model 1873 Single Action Army Revolver.

A famous Cowboy Shooter named Bob Munden used the Dakota 45LC as part of of his shooting demonstrations and made the Armi Jager Dakota Cowboy Revolver famous -

This Post is Updated

Specification on the Dakota Cowboy Armi Jager Model 1873 Single Action Army Revolver that I personally owned -
Importer : Armi Jager of Italy
Manufacturer:  E.M.F. Company
Manufactured in the 1980's by F.LLI Pietta of Italy for EMF USA.
Also marketed as: EMF DAKOTA TARGET SAA
Copy of Colt 1873 Single Action Army Model with 4 3/4 Inch Barrel 
  often referred to as the 'Sheriff's Model'
Caliber: 45 LC (Long Colt)
Model: Dakota
Action: Single Action 6-Shot Revolver
Single 4-Position Hammer
Standrad Slide Ejector
Rounds: Can Handle 45 LC Lead, 45 LC Flat, 45 LC Hollow Point,  
  anybrand including properly done reloads
Wood Mahogany Pistol Grips
Barrel Length: 4 3/4 Inches (4.75)
Overall Length: 10 1/4 Inches (10.25)
Brass Metal Frame
Standard Blued Barrel
Fixed Front Ruger Style Sights
Copy of Colt Revolver (Clone)
Metal Trigger
Metal Trigger Guard Assembly
Has 3 Stamped Proof Marks on right side of Brass Metal Frame
Metal Frame, front of Trigger Guard is the Serial Number (S/N) Location
Barrel Markings:
  Top of Barrel  - Armi Jager Italy 
  Left Side of Barrel – Dakota Cal. 45 Colt
  Right Side Barrel – 2 Stamped Proof and Manufacturing Marks
  Armi of Italy is the Importer not the Manufacturer.
  Approximate Weight: With 5 rounds is 2 pounds.


About the Dakota Cowboy Armi Jager Model 1873 Single Action Army Revolver:
   Part of the information contained in this section is attributed to Sack Peterson
   a.k.a. Stag Gun Grips - http://www.sackpeterson.com
This was called Italy's first cloned Colt Cowboy Gun.
If you remember in the 60's there were a lot of so-called 'B' Rated Cowboy movies made in Italy.
Cowboy shooting became very popular in Italy and spread to other parts of Europe.
The frontier revolver made by Great Western Arms of California had a clone of the Colt Peacemaker. 
Armi Jager otherwise know as Adler Jager was a German and Italian Gun Manufacturer located in the small town of Loano Italy. Firearms production ended in the 1990s do to lack of skilled personnel according to the owner, Mr. Piscetta. There still exist a small gun store that offers gunsmithing works in the town of Basaluzzo Italy renamed Nuova Jager.
The original company was acquired in 2009 to make AR15 style weapons distributed by San Swiss Arms.
Even with strong demand, price competition drove them from the market place by 1961. Mail order houses like Navy Arms, Dixie Gun Works, and EMF were sourcing their replica inventory from central Europe, where manufacturing was less expensive.
The Colt Peacemaker clone now established as the signature piece of serious replica was in demand. The first European built reproduction of the Colt SAA was by JP Sauer of Germany. It was sturdy and inexpensive, the Sauer clone single handedly destroyed the price competition in America.
By the 60’s, gunsmiths and job shops of northern Italy became very adept at supplying US frontier cowboy replicas. There, several family shops that thrived and grew into enduring, world class gun makers: Uberti and Pietta remain today. Armi San Marco, Armi San Paolo, and Jager were very successful over the 70’s and 80’s.
Armando Piscetta and his Loano company Armi Jager started building Colt Peacemaker clones in 1962. A small USA importer, Inter Continental Arms, began selling these in the US. Inter Continental called it the “Dakota”.
Jager’s early single action was significant as Italy’s first Peacemaker clone. More so, it was quite a bit better than the German Sauer revolver. It was finished nice, functioned well, and still affordable. It established a reputation for quality among the Italian Cowboy Shooters.
The History of the Jager Single Action Cowboy Revolver -
Early on, the pattern for Piscetta’s Jager single action was set. It was blue and color case hardened with Italian hardwood grips. It had a brass grip assembly. The flamboyant brass straps are an easy to spot, but the Jager revolvers were nonetheless handsome and well finished.
Inter Continental Arms imported the Jager single action into the USA with some exclusivity through the 60’s.
In the beginning years, the Dakota didn’t have a maker’s logo. Brescian proof marks and a “Made in Italy” script were the only indicators of origin. In 1969 some of Inter Continental’s cowboy style revolvers began showing a Hammerli or a Switzerland stamp. What can be demonstrated is the Dakota was being built in two places for a time: in Italy, by Jager, and in Switzerland, by Hammerli. Hammerli built Dakotas were numbered within the existing Jager serial range, indicating an aligned if not joint venture by the two companies to furnish the Dakota to American importers.
Hammerli already owned a stellar reputation for target pistols. New Hammerli built cowboy revolvers made an immediate inpact on US Cowboy Shooters. By 1972 Hammerli was signed by Interarms to make their Virginian revolver. Hammerli then ceased building the Dakota, leaving that to Jager as before.
Demand for the Dakota replica remained, but importers came and went throughout the 1970’s. Inter Continental ceased business in about 1975. EMF picked up the Dakota trademark and became Jager’s highest volume importer. The Dakota revolver was also imported in lesser numbers by Kassnar and Navy Arms. These guns are the same, but go by “1873" or "Frontier” model name. Odd models with “IGI” and “Italguns” importer markings (Kansas model) are also Jager revolvers. By this time all guns have “ARMI JAGER – ITALY” stamped markings.
Sales of the Jager pattern cowboy revolver were robust for the next decade but eventually fell off. Cowboy action shooting was established in the 80’s. Single action shooters favored replicas with more authentic appearance. EMF dropped the Jager as its flagship revolver in favor of models by Armi San Marco and Uberti, some of which they labeled the "New Dakota". Armi Jager stopped building the Colt Peacemaker clone in 1993.
Colt Clone Model Variations -
Besides its basic color cased and blued model, Jager also did runs in Sheriff, Bisley, Buntline, and Target model configuration. A catalog has become standard among replica Peacemaker manufacturers.
The Jager’s Buntline was a detailed reproduction. Some had ladder sights, along with a finely rendered skeleton stock.
In 1980 EMF also briefly imported the Jager revolver as an unfinished kit. This was in effect a second take on the old Great Western Arms kit guns (EMF having owned Great Western for a time). Jager kits are called “Californian” models.
Inter Continental Arms contracted with Jager for a modern, big-bore hunting revolver to compete with Ruger’s Super Blackhawk. This model was called the Super Dakota. It featured target sights, an elongated grip assembly, and chambering in a selection of modern performance calibers. These guns date from 1965 to 1970. They are high quality.
Jager offered an engraved model to its distributors throughout production years.  Examples will generally conform to one of two basic patterns. Among earlier production, frames are coin finished and engraved with barrels blued. Late production engraved guns are nickel plated. Some of these late examples feature a cattle brand pattern. In all cases, engraving was etched or machine rolled.
A US Army commemorative was built in the 1980’s. These are cavalry style 45 Long Colt with 7 1/2 inch barrel. About 1000 were built. They have their own serial range.
Caliber selection was typically a standard fare of 22, 32-20, 357, 38-40, 44-40, and 45LC. Auxiliary cylinders could be purchased with several of those chambered to make for a convertible revolver.
The Dakota was at times available in 30 Carbine, one of a very few production handguns offered in this caliber.
The Dakota was available by special order in nickel finish.
Standard grips were walnut or a European hardwood.
Dakotas from 1962 to 1968 have no safety mechanism. Revolvers from 1969 to 71 generally have a hammer wheel safety. Revolvers after that have a base pin safety.  On Jagers, this is an odd "twist" base pin rather than the“Swiss” two notch pin that became common on Italian SAA replicas.
Quality, Collectable, and Value -
Italian cowboy revolvers from the 70’s are to this day described as cheaply made and poorly built.
This piece of common knowledge was never really true, The spaghetti replicas are quite good and have been from the start. They have always been steel rather than alloy. Also, they had quite a bit more hand fit and finish than was required to build them at that time.
These are traits of a high quality product, not junk.
The Jager revolver is a good revolver. Exterior dimensions are nominally larger than the original Colt Peacemaker. A Jager is without a doubt much stronger than a 1st generation Colt, a useful comparison.
As cowboy shooting grew in the USA, buyers' demand for authenticity became more stringent. Jager nonetheless declined to change its design. Ultimately its gun was usurped in the marketplace by more “true-to-Colt” ASMs and Ubertis.
Jager serial numbering was strictly numerical and ascending, starting at 1. Examples from around 1990 have serials that approach 100,000. That number is subsequently a reasonable estimate of total production over 30 years. Much of those guns are in Europe, where Jager also did business.
The Armi Dakota Legacy -
Armi San Marco failed in the early 2000 for reasons having nothing to do with the overall demand for reproduction cowboy revolvers. Uberti remained as the sole Italian clone maker, but they had just been acquired by Beretta. Rather than expand to capture ASM's market, Uberti's distribution was put under tighter corporate discipline as production got directed by Beretta sales networks.
Several mail order houses relied on Italian six shooters to anchor their catalogs, and they failed to fulfill orders. This was an obvious void for another Brescian company to fill, and it was Pietta that came into supplying the need. Having not offered a Peacemaker clone before, they started by getting Jager's old forging for the Dakota cylinder frame. They updated the build with modern CNC machining, and assembled finished guns with Colt sized screws and parts. But the lineage of Pietta’s modern rendered, authentically dimensioned the Colt Cowboy Revolver original Dakota by Jager.
Dakota” remains brilliantly evocative as a private label name for a Cowboy Six Gun. EMF owns this trademark. After contracting with Armi San Marco and Uberti over the 1990’s for Peacemaker clones, EMF began a long term relationship with Pietta in 2003.
Manufacturing -
Company: Armi Jager (Known late as Jager Adler).  Hammerli marked variant also 1969 to 1972.
Location: Loano, Italy
Model: Dakota, Frontier 1873, Nevada, Kansas, Pioneer
Calibers: 22, 30 Carbine, 32-20, 357 Magnum, 38-40, 41 Mag, 44-40, 44 Mag, 45 Long Colt
Barrels: 4.75, 5.5 (most common), and 7.5 inches
Variants: Super Dakota, Buntline, Sheriff, Target, Bisley
Years Manufactured: 1962 to 1993


The Downsides to this Revolver are -
1) The screw that holds the side ejector assembly can easily be striped, see close up photo below ....

2) The Cylinder Base Pin can be pushed in too far preventing the cylinder from rotating, see close up photo below ....

Homemade Video of my Dakota Armi Jager 45 Long Colt Cowboy Revolver with an Action Job -


The Upsides to this Revolver are -
1) Quality manufacturing
2) Very accurate
3) Easy to work on
4) Interchangeable parts with Colt

Some more photos of the Dakota 45LC -










 



One of my friends shooting the Dakota 45 LC in the Arizona Desert ....


Catalog from the 1980s -

==> My recommendation on the Armi Jager Model Dakota 45 Long Colt Cowboy Revolver is -
a BUY as a Collectible.






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Thursday, April 16, 2015

Firearm Forum Question: Review and Testing of the Henry Big Boy Mare's Leg Lever Action Pistol

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No question today ...
This is my personal 'Review' of the Henry Repeating Arms Mare's Leg 45 LC (Long Colt) Lever Action Pistol.
This is essentially a cut down Big Boy Henry Lever Action Rifle.
This was made famous in the TV Show called 'Wanted Dead or Alive'
staring Steve McQueen:



Here are some photos of my Henry 45LC Mare's Leg with Holster:











Henry Mare's Leg Specifications ....

The Henry Mare's Leg .... 

Here I am wearing my Black Cowboy Dustcover with my Henry Mare's Leg
strapped to my side, the Cowboy Dustcover hides the Mares Leg ....


Here I am wearing my Henry Mare's Leg strapped to my side in plain view ....

My Cowboy Scabbard I use when riding my horse carrying the Henry Mare's Leg 45LC Lever Action.
Note: This Scabbard can be used as an attachment to your saddle while riding a horse or on your motorcycle ....

Answer / Review:
Blog Administrator -
I purchased a Henry Mare's Leg 45 Long Colt Lever Action with Authentic Mare's Leg Holster sometime back.
Essentially It's more of a collector's piece.
I just took it to the gun range and fired my 45LC Mare's Leg for the first time, see target below.
It holds five 45 long colt rounds in the tube plus one in the chamber.

Note: Since this is cut down version of a lever action rifle it is sold as a handgun (pistol).

Henry offers this in 45 Long Colt; 44 Magnum; 357 Magnum; and 22 Caliber.
This is 100 percent American Made.

Comments about the Henry Mare's Leg:
Favorable -
1/ The firearm handles well and is accurate, no issues.
2/ Cowboy Shooters will love this firearm so will Steve mcQueen buffs.

The Downsides to the the Henry Mare's Leg are -
1) Using Brass is a bad idea, it scratches easily and is hard to maintain. Blued or Stainless Steel would be better choices.
2) It is too heavy.
3) The Henry Holster is poorly designed. I had to have a leather shop rework it before I could even use it. There are better after market holsters available now that were not available when I bought my Henry.
4) It has the same draw back that all Lever Action Rifles have, hard to clean and maintain. See Youtube Video below on Disassembly and Reassembly of The Henry Mare's Leg 45LC Handgun.
5) The Henry Mare's Leg has no half cock safety position on the hammer.

=> My Test and Review Rates this Firearm as a - BUY for Cowboy Shooters and Collectors but NOT for novice or target shooters.
=> I Rate the Henry Mare's Leg Holster as a - NO BUY. Get an after market.

The Target below shows me Test Firing my Henry 45LC Lever Action Mare's Leg Pistol at the Indoor Gun Range using Ultramax 45 Long Colt Cowboy 250 Grain, Round Nose, Flat Point Ammo.
This was my First Test Firing with 6-rounds (Five in the Tube, One in Chamber).
Fired from the hip at 30-Feet using a Target Size of 24h x 17w Inches....


The Target below shows me Test Firing my Henry 45LC Lever Action Mare's Leg Pistol at the Outdoor Gun Range using Ultramax 45 Long Colt Cowboy 250 Grain, Round Nose, Flat Point Ammo.
This was my second Test Firing with 10-rounds (Five only in the Tube, reloading once).
Fired aiming the Mare's Leg at 75-Feet (25 yards) using a Target Size of 33h x 22w Inches....

Ultramax 45 Long Colt Cowboy 250 Grain, Round Nose, Flat Point Ammo ....


Hera re some Youtube Videos of the Henry Mare's Leg 45 Long Colt Pistol:
Youtube Video: Test Firing the Henry Mare's Leg 45 (LC) Long Colt Lever Action Pistol ....


Youtube Video: The Henry Mare's Leg ....


Youtube Video: Disassembly and Reassembly of 
The Henry Mare's Leg 45LC Handgun ....


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