Sunday, February 23, 2014

Firearm Forum Question: Body Armor (Bullet Resistant) Vests - What Works, What to Buy, Should I Buy One

Ask A Firearms Question:
Do so-called Body Armor, Bullet Proof Vests work?
What does the RATING on the 'Vest' mean, and what type of rounds will it stop?
Thank you Glimmer Man.

Here are some basic examples of Modern Body Armor Vest ...
Basic Body Armor, Level II for Executives:
Level IIa Ladies Body Armor Vest:
Body Armor Vest. Turtle Style, Level IIa, can hold Plate:
Body Armor Vest, Level III with Plates:
Body Armor Vest, Full Protected Chest, Neck, and Groin Area, Level IIIa with Plates:
Body Armor Plates - These can be ceramic or composite materials and come in a variety of sizes and shapes:

Body Armor has been around for centuries, here are some photos that show the evolution of Body Armor from Medieval Nights to around 1923:


Answer:
Blog Administrator -
There is NO such thing as a Bullet Proof Vest.
There is, however, Bullet Resistant Body Armor including the most worn apparel, the Vest.
Body Armor or Vest are rated with the highest number offering the most protection. The downside to Body Armor or just a Body Vest is weight. The higher the number to resist a kill shot the heavier the Vest becomes. Also Vest are hot, so in a cold climate this maybe a good thing but in a high temperature climate not so good. Body Armor is also bulky and reduces agility of the user. Body Armor Vest also have a ceramic or composite material plates that are inserted into a pocket of the Vest to increase protection but this adds significant weight. The most used Body Vest is a Lever III, see charts below for a better description of use and bullet resistance (stopping power of incoming rounds). They even make armored vest for dogs.
Important Note: It is a false assumption to assume that a Bullet Armor Vest will protect the user against a knife, or sharp object such as an Ice Pick, or against a heavy blunt object such as a hammer, crowbar, or axe.

Manufacturers do offer, including available to the public, Armor Vest that resist (or stop Handgun and Rifle Rounds); Sharp Objects such as a Ice Pick; and Fragments (shrapnel and debris from exploding rounds, such as mortars and grenades).

Understanding the Body Armor and its Ratings:
ALL Body Armor is categorized into SIX Levels. The HIGHER the Number the more Protection with Level I being the Lowest Protection and Level IV being the Highest.
The ballistic threat of a round depends on more than just the round fired. Variables include its composition, shape, caliber, mass, angle of impact, distance to target, and impact velocity. Because of the wide variety of rounds and cartridges available in any given caliber and because of the existence of hand loaded ammunition, body armor that will defeat a standard test round may not defeat other loadings in the same caliber.
The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is the research, development, and evaluation agency of the United States Department of Justice. It is from the NIJ where we get the levels of body armor. HOSDB is the British Rating. A good vest will be rated by both.
Current Defined LEVELS of Protection:
Level I - No longer recommended for use. Stops 22 Caliber, 38 Special Light Load, 380 ACP Ammo, and Wax and Rubber Bullets. It might be okay for Range or NRA Instructors for instructional use and introduction to 22 Caliber Rifle and Handguns, in the event of an accident. NOT shown in Chart # 1 below.
Level II - Used primarily for Executives to wear under their Clothing. Lighter weight, more comfortable, not bulky, and not easily shown under clothing. Shown in Chart # 1 below. Basically protects against some 357 Magnum, 9mm, 10mm, 41 Magnum, and 44 Magnum Handgun loads.
Level IIa - Best Civilian Body Armor choice overall for common use. Heavier and a better choice for Executives, VIPs, Witness Protection, and People who can afford standard protection against street thugs and attackers. Basically protects against most standard handgun loads plus 12-Gauge 00 Buck Shot. Shown in Chart # 1 below.
Level IIINOT shown in Chart # 1 below. Vest is heavy, hot, and bulky. This vest mandates the use of hard inserted plates. Protects against most standard load handgun rounds plus 7.62 rifle and the standard 223/5.56 rounds. Excellent for security and body guards.
Level IIIa - Basic Police Model Vest. Shown in Chart # 1 below. Vest is heavy, hot, and bulky. Reduces mobility. This vest mandates the use of multiple hard inserted plates. Not worn all the time, used in police combat and tactic mode. Stops everything shown in Chart #1 plus high velocity 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 9mm fired from an assault style weapon, and 223/5.56 FMJ Rounds.
Level IV - Military Combat Vest. Heavy, very bulky, designed to cover more than just the chest area. Strictly for combat mode. Inserted Plates Required for maximum protection. NOT shown in Chart # 1 below. Will stop all rounds shown in Chart # 1. Designed to stop military and hunting rifles starting with 30 Caliber and including 30 Caliber M1 Carbine, 300 AAC Blackout, 30-30, 243, 22-250, 270, 303 Enfield, 6.5x55, 7mm, 8mm, all 223/5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (NATO 308), and the Military 30-06 FMJ
The Level IV Body Armor will NOT stop big game or sniper rifles such as the 300 Winchester Magnum FMJ, Lapua 338, 375 H&H, 45-70, 45-90, 416 Magnum, 458 Winchester Magnum, 480 Ruger, 500 Magnum, and the obvious 50 Caliber BMG.

When considering Body Armor RATINGS there are other types of threats such as Sharp Objects; Spike Weapons such as Needles, Syringes, Stilettos, Ice Pick, Hunting or Combat Knife, Sword, Axe or Hackett, Spear, Arrows (Bow and Arrow, Crossbow). A Vest that affords this type of protection is Rated KR1 or KR2 which rates stab proof defense. Your Vest should have a KR2 Rating.
Also there is Body Armor RATINGS for Fragmentation: Remember Body Armor is primarily designed to stop bullets. But if you are in a situation or area where bombs may be a source of impact from various types of fragments such as pieces of metal (shrapnel), or flying glass and debris then make sure your choice includes this protection. NIJ ratings do NOT cover this type of proaction This rating comes from the Standard U.S. Military Rating 662F or NATO Stannag 2920 to determine the V50 Rating for impact and protection.

IMPORTANT: Body Armor is generally tested using a group of fired rounds at a specified distance. The more rounds that hit an area the weaker the vest in that area becomes allowing for possible penetration. Body Armor is designed to prevent death, therefore injury can occur if hit with significant impact from a round or group of rounds. Bruised or broken ribs, knocked unconscious, or other non life threatening injuries can occur even in Body Armor. Sides, arm pits, arms, groin, neck, legs, and head are vulnerable with most Body Armor for general use.
Body Armor for the most part is NOT designed to stop blunt force trauma such as an attack from a person wielding a hammer, crowbar, or a piece of pipe. It is not fire proof, therefore you are not protected from fire, flamethrowers, flare guns, molotov cocktails, napalm, or acid bombs. It doesn't afford any protection for car or aircraft crashes. They are useless in in chemical, nuclear, or biological attacks you need a special suit with breathing apparatus for this type of incident. For tear gas and smoke you need a Gas Mask. They do not protect you from stun grenades, mace, or pepper spray (Yes stun gun grenades, pepper spray, and tear gas grenades can be purchased by the public in many areas). Another dangerous and possibly deadly device is the Golfball Launcher that can be fired off the end of a 5.56 Assault Rifle using a 5.56 blank round with a standard golfball. So just remember, the Armor Vest is NOT Bullet proof, it is bullet resistant and designed to primarily stop bullets and some sharp objects.

Lifespan: YES, Body Armor including Vest have a Table Life, most are around Five Years. So look at the manufacturing date closely, not the purchase date. Labels should be in the Vest for Ratings and Manufactured Date.

COST: Something simple like a Level I Vest can be purchased for $200.00, with the more sophisticated Level IV Vest can cost around $1,500.00. A Good Vest with the proper rating for civilian use is around $750.00.

Conclusion: If I were to select Body Armor for myself, I probably would select a Level IIa NIG Rated standard vest with a KR2 rating.

Click on Images below to Enlarge:
Chart # 1 ...
Chart # 2 ...
Chart # 3 ...
Chart # 4 ...



Please ADD Your Comment to this Blog.

Key Search Words: Body Armor, Bullet Proof Vest, Body Vest, Body Armor Plates, Body Armor Ratings, Home Defense, Self Defense, Grenades, Explosives, Flying Debris, Terrorist Attack, Shrapnel, Weapons, 12 Gauge, 10 Gauge, 20 Gauge, 16 gauge, 28 gauge, 22lr, 22 Caliber, 22 Long Rifle, 22 Magnum, 410, 25 acp, 32 Auto, 380 acp  45lc, 45 Colt, 45 Long Colt, 380, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 10mm, 40 S&W, 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 44 Special, 30-06, 30 Caliber, M1 Carbine, 30-30, 7mm, 8mm, 300 AAC Blackout, 300 Winchester Magnum, 556, 5.56. 223, 308, 5.7x28mm, 5.45x39mm, 7.62x39mm, 7,62x51mm (NATO), 7.5x55mm, 7.62x38mm, 338 Lapua, 454 Casull, 375 H&H Magnum, 416 Magnum, 458 Winchester Magnum, 50 Caliber BMG, Red Army Ammo, Tracers, SPAM Cans, Blanks, Golfballs, Golf Ball Launcher, Guarddog Ammo, M80 Grenades, Tear Gas, Flare Guns, Armor Piercing Rounds, Hyrda-Shok Ammo, Teflon Coated Bullets, Flares, Hornets Nest 10-Shot 22LR Adapter, Ammo, Ammunition, Handguns, Rifles, Shotguns, Firearms, Pinterest, Indoor Shooting Range, Night Sights, Laser Optics, Red Dot Scopes, Green Dot Scopes, NRA, GOA, USA Made, Chinese Made, Russian Made, Firearms Forum, Firearms Discussion Board, Q-n-A, Pictures, Safety First, Snipers, Sniper Rifles, CCW, Criminals, Street Crimes, Thugs, Punks, Gang Violence, Bomb Squad, Grenades, Mortars, Exploding Rounds, Hostages, Hostage Taking, Kidnapping, Zombie Killer, Doomsday Preppers, Survivalist, Photos, Hollywood, Ninja, British, Russian, USA, US Made, Combat Pictures, Military, Military Pictures, Iraq, Afghanistan, Police, SWAT, Police Tactics, Home Invasion, Hunting, Big Game, Movies, Fragmentation, Mortars, Artillery Shells, Impact, Explosions, IEDs, Molotov Cocktails, Axe, Hackett, Sword, Combat Knife, Hunting Knife, Ice Pick, Needles, Stiletto, Syringes, Switch Blade, Butcher Knife, Pocket Knife, Spear, Acid, Flame Thrower, Fire, Pipe Bombs, Acid Bombs, Caustic Bombs, Crowbar, Hammer, Rebar (re-steel), Piece of Pipe, Crossbow, Bow and Arrow, Hunting Arrows, Hammer, Nail Gun, Spikes, Pepper Spray, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam, Gulf War, Somalia.

To submit a Question, email it to:

Please help this blog grow by joining Google Friend Connect, follow me.
Also, please follow me on Twitter - firearmsqa
And on Pinterest - askafirearmsque

285 comments:

  1. Dear Blog Administrator,
    Very informative topic.

    Would like to add the following input:
    If anyone is thinking of buying used Body Armor, check the dates carefully. A lot of body armor sold used has expired. Also watch out for tags being cut out to deceive the buyer; just a Buyer Beware note on used Body Armor.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I fully agree. In fact I wouldn't recommend buying used body armor, not even the plates.

      Delete
  2. Reposter Guy,
    Good advice, thank you for your input and comment.
    The Blog Administrator

    ReplyDelete
  3. I agree with reposter, this was an excellent choice for a firearms forum topic and it is greatly appreciated and very informative.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I also agree, this is one of the better forum discussion boards on the Internet today.

      Delete
  4. sunac khan say this body armor good for my mongol warriors

    ReplyDelete
  5. just loving it damn fine topic and well presented .

    ReplyDelete
  6. I have a Level III Armor Vest with 2 plates. They are hot, heavy, and bulky as you state but I'd rather be uncomfortable than dead.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Practice ducking faster (hahaha).
      Glad you like the posted Topic.
      Thank you sir.

      Delete
  7. Firearms Guy ....
    Wow, a very good topic, thankx to the Glimmer Man for suggesting Body Armor.
    This Topic Page was well thought out and prepared in a logical chronological order presentation and is easy to read and understand.
    The Encantoman

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Glad you enjoyed it.
      You can recommend your own Topic for posting.
      Thank you sir.

      Delete
  8. I have been contemplating purchasing a body armored vest either a level IIa or III but after reading your page I have decided not to spend the money. I will concentrate on selling my Tribbles throughout he known universe.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Didn't mean to talk you out of one, not the intention of the Topic or my reply. Just to observe and consider all the facts before any purchase.

      Delete
    2. And best of luck on your interstellar journey.

      Delete
    3. Yeah Okay maybe just maybe in a galaxy far far away.

      Delete
  9. Glad I have such good response so fast on this - Ask A Firearms Question - Firearms Forum TOPIC.
    Thank you everyone for your comments.
    The Blog Administrator

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Firearms Guy this is a great topic and this forum board rocks.

      Delete
  10. Well what about some commonsense? I have worn a bullet resistant armored vest before and they reduce your ability to be flexible and mobile especially in hot and humid climates. If you don't think so, try keeping one one all day and just walking around the house. My so-called fearless platoon leader insisted we all wear one, until he got killed, and then it was an option by the Sargent. Once an option I wore the short compact no inserted plate style.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I did not wear the Kevlar Vest in Vietnam for the same reason just too damn hot and humid and in the monsoon rains it was nightmare.

      Delete
  11. informative , 2 the point , good topic , good post , good comments .

    ReplyDelete
  12. Big Time Thanks for the info and recommendation. I hv been thinking of getting a Vest, L@@KS like I will go with the Level IIa as you have suggested. Another great topic post.

    ReplyDelete
  13. I wouldn't leave home without my Vest, it's an older Level 2 (II) with KR 1 rating. After reading this I will be getting a new one real damn soon.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Yes, remember they have an average of a 5 years shelf life for maximum rated protection.

      Delete
  14. Armor Plated Vest are way to damn cumbersome for me. I will take my chances without one and more speed and get less tired and sweaty if I had one on. Also I have better things to do with $800.00.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. To each their own. To be honest I agree with you. I said if I were to purchase one, it would be a Level IIa with a KR2 rating.

      Delete
  15. I bought a Level 2a women's vest for my lady about 3 months ago. I insist on her wearing it every time we go clubbing.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Excellent and resistant on her part, after all women always want to look their best when going out.

      Delete
  16. Must say this is a fine post. Enjoyed the read. Looking forward to more topics.

    ReplyDelete
  17. looks like my shootin will suffice cause fellas i has me an old made in the usa ww2 m1 garand 30-06 semiautomatic rifle

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Use to have one myself, sold it many years ago. They are now worth over $1,000 if in good shape and the all serial numbers match.

      Delete
    2. I also have an original M1 Garand 30-06, great rifle, I use it for deer hunting, works well no modifications.

      Delete
  18. Greetings everyone -
    This TOPIC is getting good responses, but please remember to visit my earlier Topics and comment on them as well.
    Thank you all.
    The Blog Administrator

    ReplyDelete
  19. without one of these you could have your day ruined ... think about that !

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Having your day rued would be the least of your problems, but I agree.

      Delete
  20. This is thought out, precise, and well written.
    I bought a level 3A last September, it is damn heavy to wear, have composite plates. The whole set-up cost me about $1,150..00. My heart goes out to our troops who have to wear these tramping around in sh*t Holes around the world keeping America safe while stinking bottom feeders sit around all day complaining about America and how it ought to be changed.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Just shows how Liberals and Goodie-to-Shoes have ruin America by not properly punishing criminals to the extent that everyday common folk now have to purchase body armor.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That's why it's so damn important to own a firearm, get a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapons Permit) to protect yourself, your business, and your family.

      Delete
    2. I totally agree prisons are like penthouses, free medical care, 3 meals a day, a complete library, TV, sex visits, free lawyers, no work required, and more and more. We the People have to work for everything we get, lets give this scum nothing and put them on a chain gang.

      Delete
    3. Totally agree with you.

      Delete
  22. So what's next. the idiot Liberal Left gonna want these banned along with our guns so the criminals can thoroughly run amok?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. With the current Congress and White House you can expect almost anything.

      Delete
    2. Oh H-E-L-L yes, just give them time.

      Delete
  23. Foo Man Choo would even want one. I am convinced Mr. Firearms Guy, I will accept your humble opinion and obtain one of these Body Armor business style vest in Level IIa as suggested. I am wondering if they are illegal in San Francisco, but then Illegals are not illegal.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You ar a funny man, but I agree with you, and thank you for your support.

      Delete
  24. one can never ever have to many guns , ammunition , or protection .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Many would agree, and I support your right to keep and own firearms, for me personally I do it within reason.

      Delete
    2. I do not agree, I am strong advocate of the second amendment but too much of anything is not good!

      Delete
  25. Contrary to what government statistics may be published violent crime is on the rise, if you dont think so just watch your local news
    I say you just cannot have too much protection in todays crazy upside down world

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You are probably correct on this. It just comes down to two issues about Body Armor, 1) Do you want to spend the money? and 2) Do you feel you need to own Body Armor?

      Delete
  26. where to begin with some of these comments ... hey there folks, buy or don't buy that seems to be the question ... simple if you feel you need an armored vest buy one if not don't ... this topic post is about 'information' as in be informed before you buy and that is knowledge and knowledge is an investment. so use this information wisely because the info here is very good.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you very much for that input and evaluation.

      Delete
  27. Firearms Guy.
    It was a good read but quite lengthy, enjoyed it, I also concur quite informative.
    Wonder if they make a Bullet Armored Vest for Barbie.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Really, Barbie now needs a bullet proof vest and they say crime is down.

      Delete
    2. Thanks for your comment.
      Write to Matel and ask them if they will make a Bullet Armored Vest for Barbie, but she could just sacrifice Ken to save herself.

      Delete
  28. One should determine there own threat level before allowing paranoia to overcome commonsense and good judgement. In other words, if you do not need Body Armor then why spend the money.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Unfortunately the government, exasperated by the news media seems to generate paranoia in people today.

      Delete
    2. I am in total agreement. If I still lived back east in NYC I would own body armor simply because of the crime and idiots like Michael Bloomberg and his nitwit looney toon left wing communist view on gun control like criminals even care how many gun laws are past, they wont obey them, they just do their time when caught.

      Delete
    3. Totally agree with you, your post makes a lot of sense.

      Delete
  29. I think its a foolish investment driven by fear of economic collapse and conspiracy nuts with their Zombie apocalypse the world is ending any day soon.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Some would argue better to be safe than sorry.

      Delete
    2. I would not call it foolish and at the rate we spend the economy may collapse simply because eventually we wont be able to pay our debt and no one will lend us any money.

      Delete
  30. Hello I worked in a major hospital as a janitor for over 35 years and have seen so much blood and death come thru the ER that you wonder how many people could have been saved if they had Body Armor.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Great evaluation sir. Bet many of the people who live in cities with Gun Control and out of control criminal and gang violence like Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, LA, and our nations capital Washington DC would agree with you.

      Delete
    2. Bet even as a janitor working the ER you have seen to much death.

      Delete
  31. just over from twitter and checking out your site firearms forum as suggested - requested .
    i like the body armor post , sorry i just dont hv the time now to go through all ur topics but i will return .
    hv a good day yourself and i enjoy your twitter tweets , please come back soon .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Reminds me I have not been on Twitter in over a year.

      Delete
    2. Thank you, glad to see my Twitter posts are brining visitors and attention to my Firearms Forum site.

      Delete
  32. Many thanks for the varied posts topic really enjoy this site.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You are welcome, I will do my best to continue bringing more TOPICS to the site, but it all depends on suggestions by visitors like yourself.

      Delete
  33. mr firearms guy must say with enthusiasm that this is one of your best topic post ....
    personally , i agree with many posters here ...
    i see no reason to own body armor unless you live in a high crime area like philadelphia , chicago , or detroit just to name a few ....
    but thoroughly enjoyed the read and please continue with posting these awesome firearms topics ...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Good comment Noah I agree for the most part. I just cannot see why these Body Armor manufacturers can't overcome the five year life, that's what I object to the most.

      Delete
  34. As a Dad, I like it, wish I could afford one but with ammo prices and shortages I am lucky to able to take my 2 sons to the gun range for some 22lr shooting.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Being on a fixed income now that I am retired I can equate to your concerns about spending money on something like Body Armor.

      Delete
  35. I would like to suggest a NEW TOPIC: How about discussing the use of CONDOMS on rifles.
    By the way I like this post, would not buy a vest but like the effort put into the explanation, uses, evolution, and purchase options: good job, well done!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I would love to see that as well.

      Delete
    2. This TOPIC is in the works, look for it soon.
      Thank you for your input and suggestion.
      The Blog Administrator

      Delete
    3. I would also very much like to see a topic forum on this subject of condoms.

      Delete
    4. Count me in, I would also like to see how condoms and firearms go together.

      Delete
    5. Count me in as well I'd luv to see a topic on condoms and guns.

      Delete
    6. Ditto ditto ditto I also wanna see this.

      Delete
    7. It's in the works as a Topic and coming soon.

      Delete
    8. I think I all ready know the answer to this but am looking forward to the Firearms Guy's topic on this subject: Condoms and Firearms.

      Delete
    9. Shoot the mad cow and I want to see this post

      Delete
    10. Add me to the list that is waiting for this topic post.

      Delete
    11. ADD Me also I want to see Condoms and Guns.

      Delete
    12. well bury my hatchet in a tree , i would like to see it to !

      Delete
  36. Hey just buy the plates and Ducktape them to your back and chest. Just kidding. But I guess after the body armor gets impact from a sharp object or bullet rounds duck taping the holes is out of the question.

    ReplyDelete
  37. If you live anywhere that has gangs or criminal cartels such as along the U.S. Mexico Border, it might behoove you to own one of these Body Armored Vest.
    I have two. One for daily travels around Arizona and one at home in case all hell breaks lose.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. By the way, they are Not UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS they are ILLEGALS.

      Delete
  38. Just absolutely a great blog site, I love it. Looking forward to many more postings from you Mr. Firearms Guy.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you - your comment and input is greatly appreciated.

      Delete
  39. i to am over from twitter visiting ,, wish google allowed hushmail.com users to sign in but guess they r busy tracking everyone's ip and moves for the government ..

    did not see u on twitter this morning but i have wanted to visit ur site for a couple of days and finally got over here ..

    i like this site and will visit as often as i can ..
    good luck and remember us on twitter ..

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Again, I am glad to see that my postings on Twitter (@firearmsqa) has brought some visitors to my site with comments.

      Delete
  40. This site certainly is one of the better gun forums around lots of diversity (oh did I just use liberal term or what).

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Why thank you ever so much and it's a pleasure to have your comments.

      Delete
    2. YES you did you used a stinking LIBERAL Political Correct Term but you are forgiven since we all know it was an INSULT to the Loney Left Commie Libs.

      Delete
  41. I am Bow Wow a Dog and this site makes me chase my tail and hunger for a juicy putty tat .... wruff wruff.

    ReplyDelete
  42. Impressive site Firearms Guy. I am now interested and may purchase the Ladies Level IIa Body Armor Vest shown in your topic posting. I have read most of the comments here and must state the downside to owning Body Armor is the shelf life.

    ReplyDelete
  43. As a Marine, I have used both a Level IIIA and a Level IV in combat. When the plates are inserted they are heavy, awkward, they slow you down, and mostly they are hot. In Iraq I struggled with these and when not on patrol I wore a IIIA without plates. These may help save your life if you encounter an IED but now we have so many troops coming on disabled because the Body Armored saved their lives, I know, I am a disabled U.S. Marine (ISMC) = Operation Iraqi Freedom.
    Semper Fi
    I like your BLOG.
    Good luck and looking forward to future reads of new topics.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Concur fully. As I said earlier I would not wear a vest in Vietnam, it was too hot and humid and in the monsoons wet it weighed more than it was worth.
      Semper Fi and I hope all goes well for you and yours.

      Delete
    2. Sorry to criticize a fellow Marine but you spelled USMC wrong.
      I am a Vietnam Veteran, wounded myself but recovered fully.
      Take care my brother.
      Semper Fi.

      Delete
    3. Its a typo never criticize a fellow Marine.

      Delete
    4. Marine to Marine: No problem Marine, we all do the typo thing, take care.
      Semper Fi.

      Delete
  44. I know that Santa Claus wears Body Armor and so does his Reindeer when they visit the hood.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. If Santa visits any of those places he better be fully prepared.

      Delete
  45. Over from your Twitter Page I am
    I must say the visit was worth it
    Nicely done I will have to visit more often

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Well thank you very much I appreciate it.
      Did you know you can sign in using your Twitter Account?

      Delete
  46. I am a Prepper and proud f it.
    My wife and I both have a Level IIIA Vest with composite armored plates.
    We also both have chemical & bio hazard suits plus separate tear gas masks.
    We have food and water for 18 months.

    I would like to see a Topic Discussion of Prepping, can you oblige?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Good for you, are you expecting World War 3 or just a Civil War here in America?
      I do some Prepper things myself, I have 3 months of food and water but on a fixed income I can't afford to go overboard.

      Delete
  47. Sorry folks while your spending money on something like a Body Armored Vest, I am buying PURE .999 Fine Silver Coin Rounds at around $33.00 each, just think of how many silver coins I can get for $750.00. Don't get me wrong I believe in the 2nd Amendment and owning firearms but to me Bullet Vest are a bit overboard for my taste and lifestyle.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Frankly I would rather put my money into Silver Round .999 pure Coins. I am only stating that if I did decide to buy an Body Armor it would be a Level IIa.

      Delete
  48. To all who have commented and may comment after this post, I never expected this many replies on a single TOPIC. I am grateful that so many have joined in the discussion, became a member of my Google Blog using Friend Connect, and for the many Followers I have on Twitter. Thank you all and please tell your friends to visit this site often, and follow me on Twitter.
    The Firearms Guy

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Firearms Guy, you are welcome. I am a followers ob Google Friend Connect.

      Delete
  49. Have not visited in a few weeks. Looks like your site is coming long very nicely. I will have to pass and say no I am not purchasing any body armor at this time but who knows with the state of affairs in the world.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Glad to have you back please continue your support and comments.

      Delete
  50. Blog Administrator \ Firearms Guy ;
    The fact that GOOGLE doesnt accept Hush Mail or Hotmail forces me to use Anonymous as a comment publisher . Come on GOOGLE get with it , there are email providers other than you and Yahoo .

    Now onto my comment for this topic ;
    Here is a suggestion that I myself have used ; there is a use for old Body Armor , you can purchase it cheap and place it in between your door panels making your vehicle bullet resistant . By the way I got this idea watching a Burn Notice episode on TV .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I have sent feedback to Google blogs several times asking them to add hotmail I will send another one today.

      I saw that same Burn Notice TV episode, it's an idea if it works.

      Delete
    2. Interesting idea. I am not a Burn Notice fan, but then I do not watch a lot of TV. I shall look deeper into this approach.

      Delete
  51. The Guy from America Here,
    I am a member of your Google Friend Connect Followers. Sorry, I don't do this social media much anymore.

    Now onto my comment:
    Enjoyed this read thread about Body Armor and see the value in having it in today's Topsy Turby world. If you don't thinks things are going to the devil everywhere you must be living in a cave infested with vampire bats.
    Have thought about one of these for the wife and I for sometime but at our age, we will just let happen whatever comes along.
    Great reading my friend please continue with your valuable advice.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you sir for following me and for you comment.

      Delete
  52. We the People must always be prepared to defeat Tyranny in any form it may take or arrive at our domicile. Social Media is an expression source only and will never accomplish anything other than to allow a person to Rant & Rave like a loon either to the Left or Right. But when the Media chooses sides the First Amendment to the Constitution is in serious jeopardy.

    As for this topic subject matter I have all ready procured the necessary equipment to defend myself and my family.

    Great blogosphere keep the news worthy advice flowing.

    ReplyDelete
  53. I am the CAT hater - No Cats Allowed Ever !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think I will get me some armored vest for my rottweilers.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. LoL - Please send me a photo of the dogs if you do this.

      Delete
    2. We could use some real vicious Rottweilers on the border with all these illegals flowing into here like salmon spawning upriver.

      Delete
  54. Hi there , looking at your site , think its pretty good , have joined you on google connect , and nope no damn body armor for me , I am a simple man with simple needs , a hunter and fisherman nothing more !

    P.S. - Damn Hotmail cancelled my account for lack of use so google wont let me back into my blog. Now have a gmail email instead just so I can post here.

    ReplyDelete
  55. Me 2 like this site good job all the way continue please

    ReplyDelete
  56. I do not own any style or type of body armor and at 70 years old have no plans to buy any.
    I can see how these survivalist and doomsday preppers drool over this stuff.
    Frankly I am surprised that someone like Dianne Feinstein or Nancy Pelosi have not tried to ban these, they want everything else banned.
    I can appreciate the effort that went into putting this forum site together and I have nothing but praise for it. I will visit frequently and sometimes leave comments

    ReplyDelete
  57. Got an email saying I just had to check this post out so here I am .
    Pretty interesting, I bought a Level III last year, Russian made, hopefully if I ever need it, it will work, hopefully .
    My Body Armor Vest according to the manufacturer date is about 7 months older than my purchase date . I did get a good deal, I only paid $450.00, but like I said, hopefully if I need it I will still be alive to post here again with the results .
    I bought a vest because I invest heavily in collecting old classic cars and had one stolen, more on that maybe later .
    My general comments are : the topic thread is spot on and bloody well worth reading .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Sorry about that but you still have 53 months left from purchase date. The only thing that should concern you is the price, often times defected (recalled) items are dumped on the market, hope you didn't get one of those.

      Delete
  58. Very interesting this post but I live on a large ranch and wouldn't have any use for such an item. We have dogs and a clear killing path in 360 degrees of any door or window for at least 200 yards. Nice site though, I started a blog sometime back when I was injured and couldn't move around, no time for it now, ranch work is hard but honest.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Good approach but most of us do not live on a ranch, we are suburbanites.

      Delete
  59. Makes you think, explores some possible options as in just how far does one want to go to have piece of mind that they may be protected.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I think the optimum words you used are 'may be protected'.

      Delete
  60. Seems like everyone has commented on this thread so may I offer this thought ~
    the fool and the paranoid are soon parted with their money.

    ReplyDelete
  61. Yes I am over from Twitter and as I saw from another poster above Google does not allow Hush.mail users to sign-in which really sucks big time.

    But I have visited your site many times but never posted a comment. I just wanted to post something here because I enjoy your Twitter postings.

    This Firearms Blog is really well done and I enjoy the visits.
    As for this item I would not own a Body Armor Vest but your write-up is thorough and informative and for that this reader is appreciative.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you, hope to see you here often and please continue to help this site grow by adding your comments.

      Delete
  62. SIMPLE GREAT THIS THREAD AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. And, it's appreciated thank you ever so much. Please visit again soon.

      Delete
  63. tony says ...
    forget about it i live in brooklyn and i wouldn't leave home without my body armored vest

    ReplyDelete
  64. This Topic has brought a great amount of response and I would like to sincerely thank everyone who has posted and comments, input, or suggestions here. Don't forget you can use your Twitter account to sign in to Google blogs to leave a comment. Otherwise you can just use Anonymous or Gmail, or Yahoo email account.

    Please visit again and visit often leaving your comments on any subject here.
    The Blog Administrator (The Firearms Guy)
    There will be another TOPIC coming shortly.

    ReplyDelete
  65. firearm guy i agree looks like u got excellent results for this blog post and now i will add my 2 cents for whatever it maybe worth = which is just wanted to say great job and well done on this site plus i would never spend money on something like this i can buy a lot of 7.26x39mm ammo for $800.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Your 2 cents are well earned and appreciated, and Ammo is important I agree.

      Delete
  66. uh-huh nope not for me good info though

    ReplyDelete
  67. this not for me sounds like white man medicine which never good for indian i take fast horse go to mountains wait for end to come to me then i deal with it

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Each person must make their own decisions and walk their own path.

      Delete
  68. This has definitely helped me make up my mind, I will be getting 3 of these soon, all Level IIA as you suggested. After reading the comments I will be very careful to check the manufacture dates along with purchasing from a reputable supplier. Really a fantastic forum site and most helpful I thank you.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That is greatly appreciated and good luck.

      Delete
  69. glad i visited quite enlightening this site is
    good works mr firearms

    ReplyDelete
  70. There were times in my life that I wish I had a body armored vest.
    I have moved out of the big city life and now live in a small town.

    ReplyDelete
  71. I vacation to wilderness areas and I don't think a Armored Vest would stop an animal attack suck as a bear so I will PASS on this idea but the thread was worth reading.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Agreed a Bullet Armored Vest would not offer any protection against wild animal attacks such as a bear.

      Delete
  72. Over from your Twitter Page , could not sign in using my Hotmail email account so posting as Anonymous. This site is well made and informative looking ahead to more topics. See you back on Twitter soon I hope.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you for visiting and yes I have sent Google many feedbacks about adding Hotmail. Live Mail, and Hush Mail with no response or change.
      Thank you for coming over from Twitter and yes I will try and visit my Twitter Page at least once per day.

      Delete
  73. Wow a lot of comments and input here on a very well designed site my complements.

    ReplyDelete
  74. Nothing but good stuff here. I should spend the money to get one of these vest but then I am a notorious procrastinator.

    ReplyDelete
  75. Still waiting for my topic question to be posted {stupid people at gun shops). This is the one where a gun shop has a sign not allowing people carry guns into their place of business. Let me know if you are gonna post that topic.

    This topic has controversy, and personally I agree with many here I would mot spend the money on body armor.

    ReplyDelete
  76. I do not use the term ' ever ' but I dont see me owning one of these .

    ReplyDelete
  77. baby you conceal carry and wear it you will have it all

    ReplyDelete
  78. as promised , i am back * this site is amazing i just love it .
    many opinions here on body armor guess it depends on your personal or family threat level whether you buy one or not .
    bet victims of crime , if they can afford one of these , would be more apt to purcae than someone just browsing and thinking about it .

    ReplyDelete

Please leave a related firearms comment to this post.
Thank you,
The Firearms Guy